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Songs and singles at AMG get seperate pages. The song's review was favorable, but the single's wasn't. [1] -- LGagnon 01:25, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Do you think it would be more appropriate to link to the single page? As it is now it's confusing; reader sees "2.5 stars", clicks link, and finds a favorable review. I guess the optimal solution would be to link to both pages, somehow. --Dbenbenn 02:03, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Alternative metal?

While I certainly believe that "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" is a relatively heavy song, I don't think it's quite that heavy. Perhaps "alternative metal" could be replaced with "hard rock?" --Dylan 620 (contribs, logs) 20:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative rock sums up the song fine. The Pumpkins have never been categorized as an alternative metal band. Quite a few alt-rock bands have metal influences without being alternative metal, Nirvana and Pearl Jam being the other most prominent examples. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was contesting the song's categorization as alternative metal when I wrote my post - apparently it has since been removed. --Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 00:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The song itself, to me, sounds very Grungy and hard rockish. Maybe too raw to simply be labelled under the umbrella term for Alternative Rock. Alternative Metal sounds just about right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.102.96 (talk) 08:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Agreed. This is very Grungy, angst lyrics, harsh distorted guitar sounds in the main chorus. I'm adding in Grunge in the Genre type; if anyone is willing to provide a source/citation for Alternative Rock then please do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pentrazemine (talk • contribs) 21:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Enough is enough. This is Grunge not just Alternative Rock.

This song fits the Grunge criteria perfectly. Raw, angsty lyrics. Distorted guitar vocals, hard drums. Alternative Rock is too broad. Just because a band is known as an Alternative Rock band doesn't mean some of their songs can't fit certain sub-criteria's. I'm adding in Grunge. This is 100% Grunge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pentrazemine (talk • contribs) 02:53, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genre changes

Nearly all of the edits over the past several years have been genre changes. It seems this is the only attraction as far as editing goes, but really, it's a problem with all music related articles. Changes seem to rotate around combinations of alternative rock, alternative metal, hard rock and grunge. The fact is this kind of classification is highly subjective. I'm not sure what the best course of action should be... maybe just include all of the aforementioned genres? — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this song (which is one of my favourites) is difficult to pin down for genres. It was written that way. When I listen to the music and the vocals, I can identify all the genres you have listed. I would affirm them all as absolutely this song. The "rat in a cage" chorus is decidedly metal and grunge for me. But "highly subjective" quickly brings us to "original research". I am in favour of having alt rock, alt metal, grunge and hard rock listed as genres as long as we have sources. I am an inclusionist for multiple genres. Fylbecatulous talk 05:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why we would add any genres to this page without sources. If you can find sources, I'm 100% fine with changing to anything they say. But without them we should stick to the genre of the parent album, which is alternative rock. hbent (talk) 13:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We of course should only add sourced genres. Per this discussion I've added back hard rock, for which it was very easy to find a source. Low and behold "alternative metal" was not so easy... and I had a feeling it wouldn't be. Side unrelated note: I've changed this discussion back to indentation format rather than a list, as we're sort of replying to each other, as opposed to !voting in a survey. — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:40, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Akira imagery

Watching the video, the repeated scene of Billy Corgan on the thrown really evokes Tetsuo from Akira. Not sure if this has been discussed anywhere, but with "Anim..." Written on the wall behind it, kinda hard to ignore for me. 198.91.167.152 (talk) 02:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"though it is likely in the context of the interview that these statements were sarcastic"

I would strike this phrase from the article as original research, except that it is the (unintentionally, presumably) funniest thing I've read in a mainspace wikipedia article in ages. CAVincent (talk) 04:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]